Tony’s Quote: Inside Scandal’s Shocking New Season
"Olivia getting on a plane with Jake was like, ‘Just put a bullet in my head already!’" Goldwyn…
Because of the BS of Scandal S3 and what this fandom has turned into…when I see commentary like this I get real confused and suspicious and I start wondering if it’s for real or scripted or plants or something. Just a short year ago, this was the banter on Tumblr and it was good and fun and insightful lol. Anyways, don’t mind my rambling, just my way of saying I miss this. And I mostly wanna reblog this one for prosperity sake.
I’m here and I’m real and this has been the first time in months I’ve felt motivated to critically think about that show. Thanks (I think) katrinapavela.
A few things:
“I’m not dismissing Jake. Jake’s presence with Olivia does not negate her reasons for leaving, and you guys seem to forget that. Would you hate her decision a little less if he wasn’t there?”
Yep. Probably. lol
"But there’s a story here that doesn’t actually revolve around him and has no actual bearing on the Olitz relationship. Olivia and Jake have never been in a romantic relationship (not for lack of trying). Olivia has used him as the device that he is and has ended up caring about him in some capacity."
If it didn’t have any bearing on the Olitz relationship, then I don’t think they would constantly advertise in script, interviews and promotions as Jake being the alternative for Fitz. If this was all about her finding herself and an inner journey, Jake wouldn’t be there next to her.
"And why should the needs of Olivia’s married lover—whom the last she saw him gave her the news that her own mother was responsible for the death of his first born son? Which part of that makes her feel like she wants to comfort his needs? He has NO fucking idea how that makes her feel."
I don’t know, I think maybe the emotions of the person whose kid actually died might trump the emotions of the person who feels unnecessarily guilty because of it. And does it really matter if he’s married at that point? I mean just in general caring way, if it was someone you love, not even from a romantic perspective, if for example it was your sister had a child that just died, would you ignore their phone call?
mayson2013 are you calling me a Scandal bot?
corinnestark, ummm, I guess I should thank you for writing something that incited me write a response?
“If [Jake] didn’t have any bearing on the Olitz relationship, then I don’t think they would constantly advertise in script, interviews and promotions as Jake being the alternative for Fitz. If this was all about her finding herself and an inner journey, Jake wouldn’t be there next to her. “—corinnestark
This is what I meant by Jake being used as a device. I can plainly see that they market Jake as some kind of alternative for Olivia, but I can also plainly see that the narrative tells me it’s a non-starter. Like, when were they ever in a relationship? When did they ever date? Never is the answer. A few fucks and a lonely kiss do not a relationship make. ::shrugs:: As for Olivia’s journey, did she not tell you what her plan was before Jake inserted himself? Olivia being able to focus on herself isn’t negated by having a travel companion to abate any potential loneliness. I don’t know why you guys think that the entire point has been derailed because Jake is there. In her head, it isn’t. There’s no indication that they have gone off on some romantic romp. I’m not gonna spend my summer making up stuff about them that hasn’t been proven in the narrative. Sorry, we just have to agree to disagree about Jake. I’m not gonna let his presence prevent me from enjoying this show or pretend that everything is invalid because he’s there.
“I don’t know, I think maybe the emotions of the person whose kid actually died might trump the emotions of the person who feels unnecessarily guilty because of it. And does it really matter if he’s married at that point? I mean just in general caring way, if it was someone you love, not even from a romantic perspective, if for example it was your sister had a child that just died, would you ignore their phone call?” —cor
Corrine, two things here. 1) Your language is very problematic. Using a hierarchy of pain wherein one trumps another and the “less” relevant pain should be in deference to the “more” relevant pain does not work in this instance. Neither does your analogy about ignoring the call of a sister that has just lost a child. You are leaving out the incredibly important detail on which Olivia’s entire reason for leaving is based: she feels responsible for what has happened to Fitz (and others around her).
Olivia: I”t’s me. Everything that’s happened—none of it would have happened if it weren’t for me. It’s my mother, my father, the man I love, an innocent boy dying, churches blowing up, you [Jake]being thrown in the hole—the common denominator is me. I am the center. I’m the eye of the storm.”
Bearing the consequences of her failure to ‘behave’ was a key issue for Olivia in season 3, which is why you get all that self blame above (I could write an entire thing on just the above statement). She’s been told that it was her mother that killed the love of her life’s first born son. Not only that, in a rare moment of allowing Fitz to help her (309), Olivia let Fitz conspire with her to facilitate her mother’s escape. Fitz ended up committing treason by letting a criminal flee US soil. That criminal then comes back to attempt his demise, and then failing that kills his son (that’s what they’ve both been told). You don’t see how Olivia probably can’t stand herself knowing all of this? Have you ever met Olivia? She takes on these burdens. She doesn’t want that potential resentment from Fitz, and that’s part of what she fears. She already went through that with Defiance and it hurt her to her core. I’m hoping that Fitz can understand where she was coming from having found out that his own father raped his wife 15 years ago. Do you not see the relevance here? Sure, Fitz told Olivia at the hospital that as children, they aren’t responsible for the sins of their parents, but that doesn’t eliminate guilt. I’ll tell you what: I’m sure Mellie knows that on an intellectual level, yet she still saw Fitz as a proxy for Big Jerry’s crime for years and years.
2) Yes, it matters that Fitz is married. It’s another inconvenient truth that some of us like to act like is no big deal. In this instance it is. Whatever the state of the Grant’s marriage, they are parents. They have two children that have also been traumatized (let’s not forget what Karen saw several episodes before her brother was murdered) by the death of the eldest Grant child. Not only that, Fitz just found out something horrible about the role his father played in the deterioration of his marriage so many years ago. Fitz needs to heal with his family. I don’t think it’s appropriate that he cleave to Olivia at a time like this. Please don’t mistake that for me saying that Grants should somehow give their marriage another go, but marriage, or not, they are a family.
Of course I know Fitz wants and needs Olivia by his side, and if it was simply a matter of the loss of his child, I’m sure she would have be there for him. And I would fully support that. But it’s not that simple. I see all the time but but but but, it’s not a good time for Fitz! Olivia should have waited! For when exactly? What perfect time? It’s not fair to continually ask her to sublimate her needs for him. To many women think that making a man better is their job. Nope. If she doesn’t take care of herself, then who will?
Fitz needs to learn to consider her needs sometimes above his own, or at least consider the detrimental impact his decisions can have on her. He accused Olivia of not being a team with him (219), and that this teamwork is what he wanted. But Fitz’s idea of being a team usually serve his needs and his convenience. Did he think they were being a team when he leaked her name without her knowledge (I still want him to tell her this), even if the ends justified the means? Was this not similar to what Olivia did behind his back with Defiance. Fitz also needs to learn how to cope without drink and without her during a tough time. This will ultimately be a good thing for their relationship
Now onto a couple things I want to say in response to tweets and messages in my inbox:
On another note, if people continue to distill the Olitz dynamic down to break-ups/make-ups, or simply oh, Olivia’s running again, you’re not gonna get the most out of this relationship.
I could simply call each of those colours above, ‘purple’. If I did, I would be missing out on so much.
I touched on this ever so briefly after some of the discourse following the S2 finale, but what Olivia does with her henhouse is her business. The invasion and exploitation of her sexual privacy is a topic unto itself, as Scandal is rife with this (and I believe on purpose) since season 1. She’s not married to Fitz. So people talking about Olivia cheating on Fitz is something I find a bit rich. Didn’t Fitz say to Olivia in 317 that he didn’t like the idea of her sleeping with Jake because it makes him crazy? So he’s fully aware that if she’s lonely, or stressed, or whatever, she reaches for that plank of meat. As I’ve said before, Fitz is an absentee boyfriend I adore the heck out of but facts are facts. He is not there. He has no ownership over Olivia’s body, or her sexual freedom.